Monday, November 24, 2025

Good (Telestial); Better (Terrestrial); and Best (Celestial)?

 


NO ONE on Earth has ever been “Perfect” to God’s standards, except Jesus Christ.

We all strive to be perfect and are commanded to be so:

“Therefore I would that ye should be perfect, even as I, or your Father who is in heaven is perfect.” (3 Nephi 12:48).

Brigham Young qualified that commandment to this:

‘“Be ye as perfect as ye can,’ for that is all we can do, though it is written, be ye perfect as your Father who is in heaven is perfect. To be as perfect as we possibly can, according to our knowledge, is to be just as perfect as our Father in heaven is. He cannot be any more perfect than He knows how, any more than we.” (From Journal of Discourses 2:130, December 18, 1853)

The judgment of God may be a lot simpler than many believe.

Some stake presidents have made the point that who we feel the most comfortable around will determine where we may go in the eternities. If you feel better with Celestial level people, you will probably end up in the Celestial Kingdom – and feeling that way will mean you live like that group of people and hence your comfort level.

But, if you like terrestrial level people the most, the Terrestrial Kingdom is where you will end up.

God may have to do less judgment on us and just get us to accept what Kingdom of Glory we will feel most comfortable in.

Elder (now President) Dallin H. Oaks delivered an intriguing discourse in General Conference on October 7, 2007, titled, “Good, Better, Best.”

“Most of us have more things expected of us than we can possibly do … We should begin by recognizing the reality that just because something is good is not a sufficient reason for doing it … Some things are better than good, and these are the things that should command priority attention in our lives. … Other choice are better and still others are best.”

This was certainly one of Elder Oak’s best-ever talks.

However, he stopped short of giving the Church some thick meat of the gospel to chew on.

It is what Elder Oaks didn’t say from the pulpit and outright deleted from a draft of his talk, that was the most profound part. Elder Oaks deleted the second-to-last paragraph in his talk. The Author of this blog retained a copy of President/Elder Oaks’ final draft before delivery and the Author is going to push it – and take the liberty – to list below two lines from those deleted nine lines of the talk:

“The three-fold degrees of good, better and best even have their counterparts in the kingdoms of glory for which men and women will qualify in the day of judgment.”

Thus, Elder Oaks was, as the title of his title hinted at, really specifically comparing good, better and best to the three degrees of glory.

We would be wise to not just make good, or better choices in our lives – but make a priority to identify and strive for the BEST choices, if we truly want to reach the Celestial Kingdom.

 NOTE: This article and all of the NighUntoKolob blog are NOT an official website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are the author's conclusions and opinions only.




 

 

 

The LDS Church’s Evolution to Smaller Temples

                                                    The Star Valley, Wyoming Temple.


   ACCORDING to Fred Baker, former head of Church Physical Facilities, it was President Spencer W. Kimball who first started the idea of the Church having small temples, not President Gordon B. Hinckley. Yes, President Hinckley may have announced publicly the smaller temples, but it all started with President Kimball. President Kimball and Emil Fetzer (Church Architect, 1964-1984) had designs made for as many as 20 small temples, of all different sizes. (And, Brother Baker said Brother Fetzer had also made a plan for stake centers to have an annex added on for a limited temple, as another possible small temple possibility, though that plan was apparently never utilized…) 
  Brother Baker also recalled this: “President Kimball said in my presence one day, ‘We’re totally spoiled about temples. You think you can take your suitcase, go down to the Salt Lake Temple at anytime, and do whatever. That’s not going to happen forever. One day the temples will operate twenty-four hours a day, and you will have to call and say, ‘I would like to come on Thursday.’ And they’ll say, ‘Let’s see. We have an opening at 4:00.’ ‘I’ll take it.’ ‘Okay. You’re in seat fifty-two in room six. Be there.’” That was his conception of what is going to come when we finally get to that point.’”
   (It is worth noting that President Brigham Young never allowed the sealings for deceased people in the Endowment House – he believed that ordinance should only be done in full-sized temples.) Yes, Brother Baker said there was never any concern like that in more modern times. 
  Brother Baker also stressed that it was always decided by the First Presidency ultimately on every temple design and action – and Church Building employees had to be careful not to reveal future temple plans, BEFORE a First Presidency announcement was made. 
  Brother Baker recalled this: “Now that put us in an interesting situation, because the Presidency would give us instructions, ‘We want to build a temple here, but it’s confidential until we make a public announcement.’ We were told, ‘Not even the General Authorities can know.’ So if a Seventy or a member of the Twelve called up and said, ‘Do you have anything planned for Arizona?’ We’d say, ‘Not to our knowledge,’ because we were told it was confidential. But the decisions of when, where, size, and public announcement came from the First Presidency’s office directly to us.”

  -Fred Baker, of Ogden, was the director of Church Physical Facilities from 1965-1991. He passed away in 2015 at age 89. He was the author’s stake president at one time, as well as a family friend. 
   -The above photograph is of the Star Valley, Wyoming Temple, from Wikipedia Commons. 

 NOTE: This article and all of the NighUntoKolob blog are NOT an official website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are the author's conclusions and opinions only.

Why do Modern Latter-Day Saint Temples Lack Outside Symbols?

                                           The Ogden, Utah Temple.

  THE Salt Lake Temple is loaded with religious symbols on its exterior. Some other early LDS Temples also have some outside symbolism, but modern temples lack that feature (Angel Moroni statues excluded). The question is why?
 -Here’s one possible answer: Fred Baker, for the former head of Church Physical Facilities in the late 20th Century said this about constructing the original Ogden and Provo temples:
   “No, we didn’t have any symbolism in mind. In fact, that’s a really interesting question, because after several other temples were opened, someone stopped by my office one day and said, ‘You people have totally missed the boat on temple design, because you don’t have symbols on the exteriors of the temple. Every temple should have those symbols.’ And they gave me a copy of a DVD that takes you through the symbols and everything. “The truth is that we were so focused on what happened inside the temple, it never entered our mind if there was supposed to be a star or a big dipper or something on the outside. What happened on the inside was so magnificent, it overcame everything. But we may have been completely wrong, and people who love the symbols may be right. I don’t know. I’m not enough of a buff of those kinds of things that I would care one way or the other. It doesn’t matter. But what’s going on inside . . . That’s important. I guess Emil (Fetzer, Church Architect) and I forgot the outside. So we’re guilty.” 
   Is the answer that simple? 
  The Church left symbols off the outside of temples, saving funds, for the inside of temples (and for more total temples), because that’s where the real important work happens – inside a 
   The Salt Lake is perhaps an exception, as the flagship temples, with enough exterior symbolism to fill a book.

  -Fred Baker, of Ogden, was the director of Church Physical Facilities from 1965-1991. He passed away in 2015 at age 89. He was the author’s stake president at one time, as well as a family friend. 

 NOTE: This article and all of the NighUntoKolob blog are NOT an official website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are the author's conclusions and opinions only.

Tokyo Temple: The Church’s First “Quake Proof” Temple?

                                                     The Tokyo Japan Temple.


  THE Temple in Tokyo Japan opened in 1980. It was perhaps the Church’s first “earthquake proof” temple, with reinforced concrete. It was considered a special temple, built stronger than usual.
  (That layman’s architectural term was later renamed to “earthquake resistant.”) 
  Fred Baker, former head the physical facilities in the Church during the late 20th Century said the Tokyo Temple was designed to withstand a Richter 7 quake and a Force 5 typhoon. He said some steel had to be taken out of the temple’s exterior, to allow for more concrete. 
  He also said this: “Do you understand what earthquake proof means in terms of construction?” People would say, “Well, it means that the building would just stay there.” And I’d say, “Well, not quite. It means that the building wouldn’t fall in on the people working in it. But outside it would be really deadly especially on the street where the cars were driving.” And depending on the strength of the earthquake, the building would likely be a total loss. But it wouldn’t fall in on the people inside.” 
  Almost 25 years after opening, the Temple was tested with a significant quake, on July 23, 2005, a magnitude 5.9 earthquake struck Tokyo. The shaking caused the trumpet in the hand of Moroni to be knocked to the ground. 
  However, the temple itself had no major damage And, in September of 2017, the Tokyo Japan Temple closed for renovation for almost five years – and it received both seismic and mechanical upgrades.     Furthermore, the Salt Lake Temple reopens in 2027 with an even greater emphasis on being earthquake resistant, with its special shock absorbers and shifting ability.

  -Fred Baker, of Ogden, was the director of Church Physical Facilities from 1965-1991. He passed away in 2015 at age 89. He was the author’s stake president at one time, as well as a family friend.
  -The Tokyo Temple photograph is from Wikipedia Commons. 

 NOTE: This article and all of the NighUntoKolob blog are NOT an official website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are the author's conclusions and opinions only.

Why the Jordan River Utah Temple is the Most Unique Temple of All

                                      The Jordan River Utah Temple.



  THE Jordan River Utah Temple in South Jordan, Utah, was the Church’s 20th Temple. It opened in 1981 and was remodeled from 2016-2018. 
  What follows is the little known, miraculous backstory on how this temple came to be; how it defied standard church policy; and how it is the only temple that was financed entirely outside of Church resources.
   All material comes from interviews made with Fred Baker, former head of Church Physical Facilities, in the late 20th Century. Church members in the South Jordan area desperately wanted their own temple. 
  The Salt Lake Temple was 17 miles distant and that equaled almost a 30-minute drive in ideal conditions.
   It was Church policy in the 20th Century that you could donate land to the Church, but never with conditions set and what could go there. The Jordan River Temple story was a lone exception to that policy. 
  “Not one penny of church money went into the Jordan River. Not one penny,” Brother Baker said, in a 2014 interview. 
  Brother Baker continued: “The (temple) lot was given by my dear friend Alma Holt. That story is absolutely unbelievable, how Alma and his family kept that belief all those years that somehow there'd be a temple on that property out there. They were out there when that was nothing but weeds and radishes. And they kept that thing alive in their family that "there's going to be a temple. I know it." 
   (That 30 acres of land was still, at the time, three or more miles from any subdivision. The Holt Family had owned the land for about a century and to sell it to developers in the 1970s had a worth of several hundred thousand dollars. Family members over the decades had periodically talked about their property one day being the site of a temple, so that was their dream. Even when the Holts divided the land to their children, their kids all wanted to contribute enough land so the temple dream could still happen.)
  Brother Baker continued: “I went out and I met with them and said, ‘I'm sorry, Alma. You can't offer it as a temple site. You can offer it to the church, but ....’ And, so, they finally decided to offer it anyway, but asked if I'd tell the story when I presented it on the Tuesday (meeting with the First Presidency). So, I did, I presented the site and told them the story of Alma Holt. “So, we concluded the meeting, got up to leave, and President Kimball says, ‘Fred, come here just a second.’ He walked over into the corner, because I guess he didn’t want anybody to hear, and he said, ‘Will you arrange a time for the First Presidency to go see that property?’ For twelve years I had presented hundreds and hundreds of items to the First Presidency, and I never had that kind of request. I said, ‘I’d be happy to.’”
   That was just unheard of – the First Presidency wanting to see land like this so urgently. Soon after, the First Presidency gets a look at the property, though it required a drive through an irrigated farm field, complete with furrows, bumps and slow going
  Several weeks after that tour, Brother Baker and Church Architect, Emil Fetzer are summoned early one morning to meet with President Spencer W. Kimball, who basically said (by Brother Baker’s recollection):
   “We’ve decided to build a temple on the Holt property. All of our confidentiality rules are in place, but you need to start work on the plans now. Do the whole thing like Ogden and Provo as far as the interior is concerned, but this needs to be a much bigger temple.”     President Kimball wanted 120 seats in each of six endowment rooms and a beautiful steeple on top. Later, a meeting was held for Church leaders in the Salt Lake Valley and the Jordan River Temple was announced.
   All were excited, though some were shocked that it would be on WEST side of the valley, and not the east side.
   Brother Baker estimated that if he polled church members on where the second temple in the Salt Lake Valley would be, that 95 percent would have said the east side of the valley!
  He also said:  “Anyway, the Salt Lake temple district finance committee ... I mean everybody finances, puts twenty - thirty percent into their temple...they sat down and decided, ‘How much do you think it's going to be?’ And I said, ‘Well, the estimate is 15 million. I don't know, because we haven't bid.’ “They (the church members in the south end of the Salt Lake Valley) decided to raise 15 million. Everybody did! And not a penny went into that building! And for years they ran that building with extra money! And nobody knows! Sad! That should be a beacon! Wow!"
    How did the church members in the south end of the Salt Lake Valley raise so munch money? 
  Brother Baker said: “Some would give up their Christmas. The families said, ‘Let’s give our money to the temple this year.’ Some said, ‘We were going to Disneyland. How about next year for Disneyland? Let’s put that vacation money toward the temple.’ Some put off that nice refrigerator or remodeling the kitchen until the next year. Now I don’t know, I’m sure there were some sizeable contributions, but normally fundraising like this starts with five millionaires who want this project, so they each put up two and a half million dollars and then expect everybody else to cough up what they can. This was just the opposite. This was the ordinary member, his wife, and two children coughing up the whole thing. Now I’m sure some wealthy people made some marvelous contributions, but it wasn’t the basis. The basis was the member of the Salt Lake Temple district raising the money, and they did. I can’t believe it. I was flabbergasted. That was just incredible.” 
  Brother Baker said even the First Presidency was flabbergasted at how much money the Saints in the area had raised for the temple. Still, they promised to make up any shortfall. The next surprise came at the groundbreaking for the temple.
   Brother Baker recalled: “It was just hilarious. I don’t know where they got it, but it was the most gigantic earth-moving machine you have ever seen. They must have borrowed it from Kennecott Copper or something. And when the time came, President Kimball, who comes about to here on me [pointing to his shoulders], had a big hard hat on. They helped him up on this great big, mammoth machine. He started it up, lowered that big front-end loader, gave it the gas, Rrrrrrr, and broke the ground for this temple. It was just so funny. “Then President N. Eldon Tanner said, ‘From all our hearts, we want to thank all of you. The stake presidents and bishops who are here, please go back and tell your people of our gratitude for their generosity. Then he said [voice filling with emotion] . . . Let’s see . . . I’m trying to think of the exact words, ‘Please tell your people that we have all of the money that is necessary for the temple. We don’t need any further contributions.’ And, about two weeks later, another $700,000 came in … You know, you just couldn’t stop the darn thing. It was like turning on the fire hose!” 
   Brother Baker concluded his memories: “Anyway, the Lord opened the hearts of these people. So the biggest temple in the Church as to vicarious work, and most active temple ends up sitting on this site, and the Church didn’t have a penny of headquarters money in it. “     And, he said President Tanner made sure that any extra money for that temple, went to that temple, and none to the general fund.   Finally, Brother Baker said, “We had more parking out there than we had at any other temple, and they filled the parking lot and parked on the streets. The city finally came to the temple president and said, ‘We’ve got to do something.’ We had to go buy another fifteen acres and put in more parking, just so we could get the cars off the street. “Is that a remarkable story? Is that a story about the faith of the Saints in this dispensation? Well, it just hurts me that Alma Holt didn’t get any notoriety, that he had no credit that he deserved. I know he received thanks from the Presidency, and that’s probably all that mattered to him. But I just thought, ‘Gee, that’s a tremendous story.’ And all these people walking around here, they don’t know a thing about it …”

  -Fred Baker, of Ogden, was the director of Church Physical Facilities from 1965-1991. He passed away in 2015 at age 89. He was the author’s stake president at one time, as well as a family friend. 

  -The Jordan River Temple photo is from Wikipedia Commons.   
  
 NOTE: This article and all of the NighUntoKolob blog are NOT an official website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are the author's conclusions and opinions only.

Why the Logan Temple was Gutted in 1976

                                Logan, Utah Temple.

   THE Logan, Utah Temple was first Latter-day Saint Temple to have muraled ordinance rooms for a live-acting endowment presentation. However, where are these pioneer-era pieces of art? 
  Why does the interior of the Logan Temple look just l
   This blog will eventually answer those questions and many more … First, a sidelight fact: The outside walls of the Logan Temple were originally painted a pinkish, off-color white, so as to hide the dark and rough looking limestone.
   By the early 20th Century, that paint was allowed to fade away and hence today’s exterior look of the Logan Temple. All the temple’s handcrafted, pioneer interior was removed, as well the roof, leaving only the original pioneer walls remaining. The renovation of the Logan Temple’s interior was patterned after the inside of the original Ogden and Provo Temples. 
  The formerly muraled rooms were wallpapered and made ready for all-in-one rooms, that used a motion-picture presentation of the endowment ceremony.
 When President Spencer W. Kimball rededicated the Logan Temple, on March 13-15, 1979, he expressed regret over the loss of the pioneer craftmanship of the revamped inside of the sacred structure. 
  (Note: All the preceding information is from the Church News of September 2, 2022.) 
  -There are rumors that a significant amount of the pioneer era murals removed from the 1970s Logan Temple are in church storage ... and could be reused, should the Logan Temple undergo another renovation some day?
   Now, here’s the bombshell – not commonly known information as to why the Logan Temple required such extensive renovation in the first place, from 1976-1979 -- 
  (This information was obtained from Fred Baker, former head of the Church Physical Facilities, from the 1970s until 1991.) 
  The Logan Temple (and Manti too) were both considered for extensive remodels in the mid-1960s, because they were overtaxed and unable to accommodate the increasing number of Latter-day Saint patrons. 
  However, according to Brother Baker, such renovation would have been too costly, as new building codes would have to follow and thus the interior of both temples would have to be gutted.
  Instead, the Church built the Ogden and Provo Temples, to take pressure off the Logan and Manti temples. This idea worked for the short term.
   By about 1974, the Church started making plans to renovate the Logn Temple. Then, a natural disaster struck – The Pocatello Valley Earthquake, a magnitude 6.3, shocked the region, with an epicenter near the Utah-Idaho border. High rise buildings in downtown Salt Lake City even swayed from the quake, though they were 100 miles distant.
   According to Brother Baker, unknown to the Church for just over a year after the Pocatello Valley quake, was that its strong tremors had cracked and broken in two the main support inside the center and upper floor of the Logan Temple, where the Solemn Assembly room was. 
  This damage was not discovered until the temple was closed and preliminary renovations started. The miracle was that the top of the Logan Temple had not already collapsed, from the quake damage.
   (It seems often that the Lord does NOT always stop tragic events, but because of his tender mercies, he does lessen and mitigate their effects.) 
  Brother Baker said when this extensive damage was discovered, the Solemn Assembly room was permanently taken out and to get everything up to code, the entire interior had to get gutted and the roof removed. Keeping the Solemn Assembly room would have equaled a haphazard look and design in the temple and the Church Architect and Church leaders agreed it had to go. 
  Hence, why the Logan Temple is only pioneer looking on the outside. 
  Brother Baker also had this say:
   “If there was ever a time when I wanted three bodyguards and somebody watching my house every minute, it was then, because of the people in Cache Valley. When you touch a local temple, and Grandpa Aaron comes after you . . . You couldn’t imagine the sheets of paper that were pasted on our cars and posted around town. ‘These horrible people are ruining our lives and wrecking our temple’ …But local people hated us for touching their temple, and I could understand that. We never received that kind of response from the local members when we did the other temples. We did all thirteen existing temples, but the Logan Temple was the only one that we got such a negative response on.”

  -Fred Baker, of Ogden, was the director of Church Physical Facilities from 1965-1991. He passed away in 2015 at age 89. He was the author’s stake president at one time, as well as a family friend. 

  NOTE: This article and all of the NighUntoKolob blog are NOT an official website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are the author's conclusions and opinions only.